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For discussion purposes, I thought I would post a series of characteristics of a cult. These are from Janja Lalich, Ph.D. & Michael D. Langone, Ph.D.

It might be interesting to examine these.

The first one they list is ...
The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
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This was a very interesting selection, bluesman. Thank you for posting that. It's interesting that THE 'truth' is so highly emphasized at the cj. In fact, that is often viewed as the best way to reflect God. Live in His truth and you live in him. I agree with the sentiment.

The sad part about the truth at the cj is that since the founding days it's become inseparable from the interpretation of the truth in a given situation from whoever is in the power position at the time. The "truth" is their (a.k.a. Holy Spirit's) take on the motivations and sins causing the situation at hand and how to fix it. While at times this can be fine, and even truthful. The baby bird syndrome isn't. Take regurgitated insights from powerful people, don't argue, pray and somehow find a way to see the "truth" in what was said (even if there wasn’t any.) If there's trouble coming around to "the truth," motivations can be provided to the person having trouble coming into the truth. The lesson one learns quickly is that it's better to regurgitate someone else's truth than need the motivations.

What's remarkable to me is that often what's regarded as THE truth at the cj is in contradiction to what the rest of the country or world views as truth.

Is it possible for only a handful of people to have a direct line to THE truth (and then teach it to a few hundred more)? If so, then it must follow that they will be the only ones truly reflecting God. Hmmm. Such a black and white perspective seems suspect at best - no matter who the group is. Perhaps there's room to learn from the vast majority of the world.

Jesus proclaimed himself as “the way, the truth, and the life.” So, does he only reveal himself to small groups of people that shut out the rest of the world? Then commission them to reflect him to the rest of the world as their schedule allows? Note: Yes, Jesus took times away, (usually when others were sleeping or other wise occupied) the rest of the time he was available and serving others. Nowhere in the New Testament does is state that Jesus cloistered himself or only allowed "others" in at specified times and never on holidays. I digress. Back to the subject at hand, the truth.

If I were to try to describe truth as a visual, one of the first adjectives to come to mind is transparent. If a group is not transparent, it makes me question what they're hiding. If there's such a need to hide, then it makes me seriously doubt the group's veracity.
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OK, Bluesman, now you've got me thinking! Would people agree that there's an intrinsic drive inside people to pursue truth? Sort of an inner propulsion driving people—maybe in the form of a desire, a longing, or, I guess, a need.

I'm thinking of how deeply devastating it is when you discover that someone you implicitly love and trust has intentionally lied to or deceived you. It hurts so deeply (at least for me) it feels like a physical blow in the gut amongst other sensations like nausea, lack of air, and a gray veil over the eyes etc. If truth didn't matter so much then I don't think it would be nearly as devastating. Even if it happens time after time, still there's always a hope that somewhere, with someone, you can have a trusting, unconditional and RECIPROCAL relationship with someone/s be it spouse, friend, family, sig. other, etc.

So, I'm sitting here thinking then, if truth is so important to human beings (except people have become scarred over time for different reasons . . . mostly thanks to rotten conditioning leading to rotten choices, leading to a who cares -- if I do it hurts too much, etc.) then I can easily see how this inner drive for truth would become greatly compounded in a religious setting--and this drive could become easily manipulated and distorted. Think of a mob - things get easily and dangerously out of control once the inner drive is stirred to action.

“Appointed” (often charismatic) people teach on religious subjects. Religion itself touches on inner feelings; it's much more of an inner experience rather than a head/logical experience. So the listeners (esp. if they're not thinkers) are vulnerable. It's easy to get "caught up in an emotional experience" and stay caught up for quite some time. Anyhow, join a particular group because belonging feels so good, so safe. And if group has teachings that began by being based on scripture, well then - this is a good thing. Add to that a group of people getting caught up in the fervor of the setting, purifying themselves of any inner impediments and sins that would block the way of the group (another word might be conditioning). The leaders then become more emboldened and begin to make more claims to be seeing the truth ever more clearly. Pretty soon a whole group of people are tripping down the garden path and it all started out innocently enough with good intentions. You know the saying . . . the road to hell . . .

It's so easy to see how STRONG a drive the search for truth (knowledge in the scholar’s world) can be. And frightening how much stronger it is when compounded by a group of others all seeking a similar truth. I think so. By this time the group is convinced of the TRUTH of their leaders and are unwilling to listen to anything to the contrary.

No one, NO ONE, has the whole truth in anything. God, truth, anything that is pure, I suspect is akin to a diamond. There are so many facets to behold - one facet cannot claim to be the diamond. If that facet were missing, the diamond would be flawed; HOWEVER, it takes all the other facets to make THE diamond. I believe this to be true with truth. And it's sad when anyone, any group, any religion believes they see the truth clearly to the extent they won’t listen to and learn from others.
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Characteristic # 2:

"Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished."

(Message edited by bluesman on December 17, 2006)
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In 1974 at age 8 when my parents decided to move into the cofj I was seperated from my family and moved into a home with a bunch of girls. Which characteristic does that fall under?
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# 3 --

"The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry; or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth)."
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HELLLLLOOOOO,anyone out there at the CofJ or GCC reading these? I sure hope so! Does it ring a bell??!!!

Thankyou bluesman for continuing to post these eye openers!!!
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Yep, we're reading, but with the holidays and all the busyness of this time, I doubt much of us have time to respond. Expect to see more from us once the pressure's let up! And thanks, Bluesman, for posting these characteristics. Interesting how all of them seem to characterize BP.
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Hey beyondfear I know you guys are all reading these I was hoping that current members are reading and learning!! Take care and have a great holiday season!!

Keep living and learning!
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#4 ---

"Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s)."
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# 5 --

"The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity)."
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#6 --

"The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society."
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#7 --

"The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations)."
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# 8 --

"The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities)."
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Dear Bluesman,
Your input is extremely helpful to me.
Thank you very, very much ~
Lily in Bloom
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Lilly,

Thanks for your nice comment. I'm really not pointing fingers, just posting some information for general discussion and reflection. And so....

#9 --

"The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion."
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#10 --

"Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group."
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# 11 --

"The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members."
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# 12 --

"The group is preoccupied with making money."
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Do you know the funny laugh of a person who just found something out...kinda gitty, stuttering, hick-up, teeth showing, sarcastic, Holy Lording laugh.... that's me.
Should we send these to bp? So she knows we are onto her game and have been for awhile?
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plainoldme-----My HOPE over the past few weeks is that bp is ALREADY reading these!!! Of course, if she is, she is probably "cutting herself off". Good God!!!Thanks again bluesman for posting these!
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I would think that BP is not reading Factnet but having someone else monitoring it and giving her a weekly summary. She used to say that once a member gets to thinking they can leave, there is very little to do to "correct that problem". And I along with everybody else would nod my head in profound agreement at her irrefutable words. Nobody said it quite like the chief...
I would wager she has not given much discussion over these posts as to dignify them with a response. She most likely has labeled factnet as a cesspool of stinking filth and anyone worth their salt would not listen to such drivel...
I just hope those members who do read these and I know there are some, will at least question her authority. Are we all in complete denial? Have any of the horrible things she promised would happen to us come to past? Sure we all made a mistakes when we ventured out of the corral but that is par for the course.
First of all, since God gave us free will, we have some influence to shaping our destiny. And though each of us has struggled to deal with the transition back into "civilian" life, most of us from no fanancial resources, we are speaking the truth. We are persueing happiness. We have established what we strongly believe in. We don't all have the same creed but I dare say we are not ones to be duped into another cult, or organization where members must surrender control to manipulating control freaks.
My point is in response to Cryfreedom, is whether or not she is reading them or not, or trying to stop others from doing so has no bearing on our action to boldly say what we think. After decades of living under that control, it is so good to call a spade a spade without fear of reprisal.
And Plainoldme, we all have had that feeling of "enlightenment". And it has been hard to justify our self identity after conforming for so long. More power to you and everyone else on this board. The truth sure set me free in more ways than one!
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I will never look on my leaving as a "mistake" - a "glorious accident" maybe, but never a mistake. Nothing that has happened in my life has been a mistake since I left. It has been a series of learning curves, decisions made by me or me alone, right or wrong, and the incredible realization that God is good and has blessed me so much. No denying - it was and still is hard work. But that is one of the joys of daily life in the REAL world - your struggles and sorrows, hopes and aspirations, dreams and realities belong to YOU. You can share them with someone else if you choose - or not. I think all of us have come to the realization that we have "leftovers" from our life that the COJ - but overall, we are conquering them one day at a time, without the "loving support" of our Community family. We were not prepared to go into the world - some of us were penniless, just the clothes on our back and a few cents in our pocket. But, we survived didn't we - because God provided for all of us exactly what we needed. There were no lightening strikes, no death or destruction, no horrible punishments. So, for whoever has been elected to monitor this "cesspool of stinking filth" as exmonk put it, take a whiff of the sweet smell of roses. You will find no stinking filth here.
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WELL SAID SAMHAM!!!!!
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I've been away for a couple months. Reading all this is great. Bluesman - thanks for all the little nuggets.

Spain
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Samham, I did not mean that leaving was a mistake. I meant that when we did leave, I assume we made mistakes along the way trying to adjust to the real world but not like BP claimed we would end up as prostitues, drunks etc. Leaving was the right and best thing we all did. Sorry if I did not convey that correctly.
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thanks for posting these, bluesman! there's so much to comment on about each of these, but suffice it to say they all apply. it's almost laughable how closely they resemble my/our collective experiences. hmmmm... maybe the authors are really from coj or gcc?? :-)

thanks again,

-QG
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# 13 -- out of 15

"Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities."
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How about ALL their time? Matins, Lauds, Terce, plus morning prayer and communion, working at Paraclete, then None, Vespers, rehersal for band, choir, orchestra, dance, then Compline, and I forget some of the services, then home to a light session.........need I go on?
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Oh, I forgot, night watch and prayer vigil in the middle of the night or during the times not in church or rehearsals..........
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Hi Everyone:
Jumping back on 'board' here after a little vacation. Thank you 'bluesman' for the 13 out of 15 points of a 'cult'. Need I say more than check, check, check.

'lilly_n_bloom' good to read your posts but so heartbreaking to hear of yet another young adult (at that time) emotionally abused by that damnable place (criminal for sure). So glad you got out when you did and also happy that you have reconnected here with your friends. Amazing support regardless of age or experiences in the 'cult', we can all relate on some level. I left recently, late in life but hey, better late than never. Making up for lost time and thoroughly enjoying being A PERSON, still sorting out what that is but 'moving right along' with the journey as in 'Free, Free, Thank the Good Lord (not 'Gawd'), I am Free At Last'.

P.S. Thank you HAL for all your words and your way of expressing truth (almost hate to use that word as it has been so distorted over the years). Much that you have expressed has been very helpful to me, bless you.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL, MAY IT BE THE BEST YEAR EVER
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#14 out of 15 --

"Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members."
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And the last one, # 15 --

"The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group."

(Message edited by bluesman on January 13, 2007)
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Dear Friends,
So comforting to read all your posts.

High Tide, I'm having "technical difficulties" accessing private discussion board, so am still unable to communicate with you through that means. Your description of all the busyness of each day (and nights) at the CoJ brings back memories...the cold, blustery winds of mid-winter as we trekked our way down the paths to the Chapel for prayer vigil..brrrrr!
My love to you all ~
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Hi all. I'm new here. Was at the cofj from 83 to 85 in 9th and 10th grades. I very well remember being told by the mothers when we could watch television. I remember locked liquor cabinets and being told by the mothers when the adults could have a drink. I remember prayer vigil between midnight and 4 am for us in high school. I remember the night watchmen. I remember light groups. I remember being locked in the basement at Jerusalem for hours...ironing clothes as a punishment for something. I remember being sick with a sinus infection and after being given meds by Dr. Bill? Daughter was Ellen...being told that I was sick because I was jealous of someone...apparently jealousy was my "sin". I didn't live with my family for 2 1/2 years...and any visits were supervised. I remember being told that family relationships were idolatrous because you can't love God properly if you love your family. I remember being in love with Rick Pugsley and having private correspondence with him while he was in the Air Force...and I remember the pain of being caught! Just thinking about it...all these years later...makes me ill. Are Aunt Connie her husband still there...McMillin? They were big into the choir. What happened to Fr. Lane? And Fr. Minor? His daughter? So many people that I remember but can't really recall...so much that has been blocked out. What a nightmare to live through.
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I remember you bonnie! would like to communicate other than this public forum. maybe on the private one? I remember that you wrote great stories, one about the fall of Jericho, and yes, I remember your crush on Rick. hope to be able to get in touch with you at some point. glad to see you here. You went through a lot.
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Hello, hightide!

I would love to communicate with you! I don't know how to do so privately. If you can give me instructions, that would be wonderful. How amazing to find others after all these years. Can't wait to chat with you :-)
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A couple years after my family backed out of the CofJ, I was still struggling -not understanding why we left. My parents arranged for me to talk to some friends of theirs who seemed to know some incriminating info on the CofJ. I was told at that time about the rules such as "no two non-resident members in a room talking without a resident member present". I also remember hearing from my parents that they were having a discussion with a third party in their room. My mother was questioning what was being said and a voice came from the fireplace or vent or something - it was one of the Mothers, rebuking my mother. The room was bugged!
My dad was a pilot for them. He told me about the alcohol MC & MJ would drink on the plane - and how one of the pilots commented to him that he'd never seen two women drink so much. My dad had to purchase the liquor for them at a local store in Rochester and he was so embarrassed, hoping no one would see him in there buying it all.
While still a part of the CofJ, he once had a dream that demons were all around the plane.
I often wondered why, when he knew they were alcoholics, was it so hard for him to see the hypocresy? The fear of leaving and losing one's salvation was so strong.

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